Strongholds and Domains: A Revised Approach

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The sooner ACKS can fulfill my Civ 5 cravings, the happier I'll be


-susan_brindle

You say that now, but then Ghandi announces he's researched a 6m hex Fireball ritual...

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You say that now, but then Ghandi announces he's researched a 6m hex Fireball ritual...


-koewn

*Oppenheimer :p

That said, Jard's statement about roads and temples put me in mind of the Birthright domain rules. I wonder what I could do inspired by those but with the math reworked such that it fits the same average as the ACKS economy.

(Probably nothing right now because I am still trying to work on the Foundation Stones, but it might distract me enough to do something with the idea.)

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The sooner ACKS can fulfill my Civ 5 cravings, the happier I'll be


-susan_brindle

 

And from the Patreon, it looks like you just got a new government type! Prepare for a few turns of anarchy!

 

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

-Civ4-Leonard Nimoy via Winston Churchill

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Suffice to say that I come to ACKS for granularity and would rather get detailed rules that I can, if desired, house rule into a simpler form than the reverse.

So I don't know that I'd classify this as better or worse as much as "more for me to pick and choose from".  Which is, again, a good thing.

I wonder if there's room for some form of followers that show up when your PC rules a domain at levels below 9.  I mean, if you're 1st level, it might not matter that much if the Lord is 7th level or 9th level, because he's a really skilled fighter and rules his own domain.  There should be some attraction to that...

SilentTempest
Joined: 2015-02-28 03:07

Not sure if it's already been raised, but is there any guidance for the Starting Peasant Families in a domain less than a 6 mile hex? If my party is a bunch of Level 1s and clears themselves a single 1.5 mile hex and starts a domain, how many families do they get? (The easy answer is just to divide by 16 to get families per 1.5 mile hex, but I'm wondering if there was any other intent).

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10. The rules would be written in such a way that new "modules" of rules could be easily added for Judges who sought more detailed mechanics. In particular, the rules should be easily expanded to cover future systems for (a) land value by terrain and technology, (b) different types of government (e.g. senatorial), (c) separating landownership from lordship, and (d) domain actions.


-Alex

Alex, I gave them a quick read and like the idea of simplifying the various domain calculations (particularly the recursive vassal income).  I'm still underwater with my master's program (but less than 5 months to go) so I'm really only running Dwimmermount, not doing much campaign building.  I don't see myself modeling anything too soon (but I'll look forward to December).  :)

I do have a question on your point 10 - with Guns of War coming out soon, do you foresee expanding the domain rules to cover periods other than late antiquity and medieval - for instance, early modern, or Greek city states?  Seems perfect for a future Axioms.

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My only concern is that this seems like a big hit to the personal income of Emperors. I have no idea what kind of reprecussions that'd have though. 


-susan_brindle

Maybe the ruler should receive only 2 gold from his vassals, while 1 gold should be payed to the highest ruler at the top of the financial pyramid? If church gets 1 gold/family from everyone, it's reasonable the Emperor should get at least that.

Grievous
Joined: 2015-05-07 13:08

On a quick readthrough, I like these changes a lot! They won't remove my need (or love) of spreadsheets, but it will make things easier.

Without having too much time to think about it, the change that you don't get money from your sub-vassals feels a bit strange, though. It's an odd way for your subordinates to save money. Hmm.

Olrox17
Joined: 2016-10-06 06:54

My current campaign has just reached the point where the players are about to forge their own domain, and I'll certainly use this version of the rules. Simpler math, without losing any of the depth of the original system.

One problem I'll have to solve is how to handle chaotic domains under this new ruleset. One of the biggest drawing points of chaotic domains was the doubled morale modifier for garrisons, but under the revised rules garrisons give no morale bonus...maybe I could implement something like this:

- in chaotic domains, domain morale modifers for liturgies and taxes are doubled. Having a garrison above normal gives a +1 to morale roll adjustments for each gp/family above normal.

I was also considering to add another feature to chaotic domains. I'd really appreciate some feedback:

Training militia and conscripts in chaotic domains. Beastmen societies tend to be much more militarized than civilized ones. Hunters and raiders are common, while farmers and artisans are almost unheard of. Because of this, freshly recruited conscripts and militia in such domains will automatically be trained and equipped as light infantry, with no further expense needed on part of the domain ruler (aside from their monthly wage, of course). The domain ruler can still train conscripts and militia if he desires to turn them into a better troop type. While having a freely trained militia is usually a benefit, it also means that chaotic domains tend to be more dangerous if the domain's morale ever becomes turbulent, defiant or rebellious: as always, rebels are drawn from the militia, and chaotic militias are always warriors, not peasants.

Opiyel
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If I recall correctly, the new Axioms has a revised Domain approach and Chaotic domains do get to field more military from their population than lawful domains. I forget the exact numbers. Don't have it on me. Posting from my phone.

Alex
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As Opiyel said, you'll want to check out Axiomis Issue 2, "Domains of Chaos," for revised rules for chaotic domains that are compatible with these new rules.

Chaotic domains are actually much better under the new rules in terms of yielding a fighting force.

Opiyel
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Oh yeah, it was 2. Got them mixed up. I've been going back and forth between them because I'm planning a campaign. It has the players start off as chiefdoms and work their way into uniting tribes into a powerful civilization.

Olrox17
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Just got Axioms 2 and 3, and I wasn't disappointed. Found exactly what I was looking for, and more. Thanks!

Grievous
Joined: 2015-05-07 13:08

I'm working to incorporate all of this stuff into my spreadsheet of madness.

Edit - I had a bunch of questions here, but I snipped them and put them in the right sub-forum here!

Btw, very much liking the rules in Axioms 3 as they are introducing alternative models that at least I personally find very useful in most of my settings (I'm pretty much using ACKS domain rules even when my games aren't using ACKS core mechanics - I have embraced the insanity/beauty).

Opiyel
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I've actually used the updated rules to create a government that's one part potlatch and one part pstrician of a merchant republic. Players looking to become patricians must first pay someone to audit their wealth and prove that they make a certain income. For a city-state, I went with the Duke title for it since that fits with a large city. So players have to, at minimum, make 4,700 gp a month to even be considered. After that, when it's time for the candidates to try and win, whoever spends the most of their money on public works wins. They do this for the last remaining year that the previous guy was in office and whoever spends the most on public works, wins and becomes the next Patriarch for 8 years. I'm hoping to get my players into this, at it seems like it could be a lot of fun.

dartkenobi2010
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A tad late to the party, but how does this exactly impact the information in chapter 10, or the process outlined by Alex, found in this forum post http://www.autarch.co/forums/general-forums/general-discussion/how-many-baronies-march-etc#:~:text=On  

There are apparently no limits on personal domain size anymore, so if i am establishing the setting I must know the levels of the leadership first? I really like the premise and want to incorporate the system. I like the ideas found in the supply and demand aspect, and the settlements. However, it seems I run into bumps when attempting to create realms (I admit I may be trying to go too much by the book). Some questions probably are not for this particular thread. Thanks.

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