Really? Really?!?

It’s kind of amazing that this thread hasn’t attracted more trolls, isn’t it?

I love this community, btw.

[quote="DrPete"] It's kind of amazing that this thread hasn't attracted more trolls, isn't it? I love this community, btw. [/quote]

 

Frankly, I'm just glad all the discussion of the Dark Lord hasn't devolved to "The Dark? Lord..."

It really isn't, though. Doxxing leads directly to harassment, which can be very damaging and which the victim has no way of stopping if it persists short of completely uprooting their lives (if that). There are victims of extreme doxxing and harrassment campaigns who have to deal with that shit years and years after the initial conflagration. It's the harassment / bullying that never stops, with some communities. 

It can lead to harassment but the people who do the actual harassment are the ones doing the harm then. 

 

We currently live in a moment in time when police and the courts don't quite know how to deal with doxxing. In this time, we need to exercise even more outrage against people who use doxxing as a means of controlling and threatening people they disagree with, because the system of redress victims can typically rely on is ineffectual until the legal system catches up.

I vehemently disagree! 

Its never the right time to create outrage and form some internet vigilante mob just because the legal system does not currently agree if something is a crime or not. 

 

Sounds like doxxing to me. I agree, it’s never the right time for that.

 

[quote="DrPete"] It's kind of amazing that this thread hasn't attracted more trolls, isn't it? I love this community, btw. [/quote]

You shouldn't have said that .......

 

Pff, you call that a troll...

[quote="ZeroSum"]

Pff, you call that a troll...

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I wonder what would have happened if none of the original D&D guys had read Three Hearts and Three Lions, since that's where that troll came from.

[quote="The Dark"]

I wonder what would have happened if none of the original D&D guys had read Three Hearts and Three Lions, since that's where that troll came from.

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Probably a more Tolkieny troll, if any.

[quote="Rodriguez"] I vehemently disagree! 

Its never the right time to create outrage and form some internet vigilante mob just because the legal system does not currently agree if something is a crime or not.  [/quote]

There's a difference between expressing outrage at morally reprehensible behavior and "form[ing] some internet vigilante mob".  

Although rest assured when I tell people the story of this Kickstarter, I will not mention how I tried to ignite a boycott and ended up being the only person to cancel my pledge.  I will be the glorious leader of an vigilante mob fighting for truth and justice in the dark corners of the internet where a bunch of older white dudes nerd out about the demographics of imaginary ACKS kingdoms.

[quote="sulldawga"]

There's a difference between expressing outrage at morally reprehensible behavior and "form[ing] some internet vigilante mob".  

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So that outrage will only take the form of angry posts on social media?

No further activism? 

As RPG players, it is our right; nay, our sacred duty; when telling stories of the Old Days, to alter them to make ourselves sound better.

 I will be the glorious leader of an vigilante mob fighting for truth and justice in the dark corners of the internet where a bunch of older white dudes nerd out about the demographics of imaginary D&D kingdoms.

That's not a nice thing to say. It's ACKS kingdoms, not D&D kingdoms. 

 

 

 

 

I don't really know much about this vox day character other than skimming through a quick internet search, however, this thread did make me back the kickstarter. I enjoy reading through the ideas in ACKs (haven't much chance to run it, sadly) and am looking forward to adding these new books to my digital collection.

[quote="Rodriguez"] So that outrage will only take the form of angry posts on social media?

No further activism?  [/quote]

I withdrew my pledge.  I'm honestly not sure what the next step would be.  I am open to suggestions.

[quote="Alex"] That's not a nice thing to say. It's ACKS kingdoms, not D&D kingdoms. [/quote]

You're the last person I'd expect to take umbrage over someone saying not nice things.  But you expressed your opposition politely so how could I not edit my post?  

LOL, thanks sulldawga! I was being facetious but it cracks me up that you played along.

 

I dunno if it matters, but I would gleefully assist law enforcement in identifying anyone involved in a doxxing harassment attack or a swatting. This conversation makes me feel like there’s something wrong with that.

Alex, you've always gone above and beyond the call of duty to help me and I appreciate that.

So I hope you'll permit me to respectfully and politely say that I disagree with this decision and will not be getting this new setting. Not because of reasons of economic boycott in order to effect some sort of cause, but because this inclusion makes the product less appealing to me. SJWs say a lot of stupid shit (Sturgeon's Law is not enough, it's more like 1% good things) but at the end of the day I'm probably about 100000 times closer to them than to anti-SJWs. Doesn't mean I want to join either camp, but my little hut in the wilderness is a lot closer to SJW-land than the other side. I'm definitely not about to get onboard with Vox Day (or Brandon Morse, or Gamergate for that matter).

I hope this was an OK thing to write. You know I appreciate you and all your knowledge on how to play roleplaying games correctly. I hope we can remain on good terms.

Thanks for the kind words, 2097. You must, of course, follow your conscience. I don't hold ill will towards anyone for doing that.

 

That was a reply I sincerely appreciated. Thanks.