Really? Really?!?

I was going to suggest the Billings Public Library.

[quote="Alex"]

Frankly I don't know how you can consider yourself a member of this community if you don't plan to support the Chainmail Bikini Bladedancers of Aura 2017 Swimsuit Calendar but to each their own.

[/quote]

 

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Does the bck book need sexy dinosaurs, too?

[quote="DrPete"]

I was going to suggest the Billings Public Library.


-thirdkingdom

Does the bck book need sexy dinosaurs, too? [/quote]

Those are in the 2018 Swimsuit Calendar

 

That’s actually the perfect way to counter Vox Day; get Chuck Tingle to write up a class. Handsome bad boy T-rex (with cute abs).

(See Edit Below)

[quote="xfrogman5"] If you really want to show Vox Day, I suggest donating to the group most negatively affected by whites, American Indians. [/quote]

I don't particular want to show anyone.  I didn't even know who Vox Day was until a few weeks ago.  I wish I could go back to those days, before my hobby and these forums had become the latest battleground.  Also, not to be rude, but you appear to have been on these forums for approximately 1 week and haven't posted anywhere but here, and google had precious few results for xfrogman5, one of which included the comment about "the advice Vox gives", so I am not sure I want to engage with you further.

[quote="thirdkingdom"] I was going to suggest the Billings Public Library. [/quote]

Noting my above statement that I don't want to "show" anybody, is there something I should know about the Billings Public Library?  Are they famous for anti-racist outreach programs or something? Or is that just where Vox Day is from?

I appreciate you responding to me with suggestions, and want to re-iterate I respect your decision to not back something you're uncomfortable with. I am somewhat disappointed that another member of your game, sulldawga, seems more interested in twisting Alex's arm, which I believe will succeed only in breaking Alex's arm (if anything) and do nothing to stop or slow Vox Day's activities.  I'd like to try to find a way to show, in good faith, that while I don't wish to withdraw my pledge, I do not support racism or white nationalism in any form.  If you think the Billings Library is a good choice, I'd be happy to hear you out.


EDIT: aw CRAP! things got SILLY while I was typing my serious response.... uhhhh.... think fast....  WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB!

So, Vox Day really hit the "public" eye by spearheading a group of sci-fi fantasy authors and, critics, I guess, who were opposed to the increased diversity in the Hugo awards (see Rabid Puppies and Sad Puppies).  Last year their slate of nominees included serious authors along with some "joke" entries, one of whom was bizarre erotica author r. Chuck Tingle, author of classics such as Pounded in the Butt by my own Butt.  Being the brilliant man that he is, Tingle started to troll the Puppies and Vox Day in particular.  You can read about it here: https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/chuck-tingle-trolling-hugo-zoe-quinn-genius/

 

Anyway, at some point Tingle noticed that the domain name therabidpuppies.com was unclaimed, so he went ahead and purchased it and set up his own website, which is still up.  I made the Billings Public Library comment because it is one of the groups that Dr. Tingle always suggests one should make donations to.

EDIT: and I just saw this website, too: stixhiscock.com

EDIT EDIT: here's an article explaining what is up with the above link: http://io9.gizmodo.com/amazon-pulls-castalia-house-book-for-ripping-off-john-s-1793533638

First an apology for not being able to support this excellent kickstarter. My finances are all claimed, even the $10 level. Maybe the  Chainmail Bikini Bladedancers of Aura 2017 Swimsuit Calendar next time eh? ;) 

Second, anyone interested in heroic fantasy , the OSR or the like better  get used to running into  Right Wingers, Reactionaires, .Alt Right  and all kinds of groups like that. Its a very popular hobby among that set. Especially OSR games.

Third, giving money to native American  won't make  make Vox Day happy. He is a Native American  himself and a registered member of a tribe, not sure which one  He's also cordial with Chuck Tingle as the Rabid Puppies got Mr. Tingle a Hugo nomination. The  best thing you can do with your money is to put it to the kickstarted here for the Chosen One and add a little "Blue Rose" style to the mix. 

Fourth  this community really isn't big enough yet to have internal disputes without inadvertently harming allies.  May I consder taking the Libertarian approach to the problem, just worry about a good product . saying I won't fund this because that meany Vox Day says bad thing when you planned to do originally  nothing to harm the .Alt Rught whose primary motto is We Don't Care, Its does hurt friends here and its hurts trust. Honeslty Alex knows how to navigate the waters, put politics aside and trust him to handle the requests in the right way. He's never failed before. 

Fifth and last. I get no say I sure hope somebody incudes a level based defense adjstment to make up for assumed magic item. Its probably the only thing I have yet to see in OSR game done right and its fits heroic fantasy to a T, Conan isn't harder to hit because of his +1 shield but because of his skills, that kind of thing. 

[quote="5 Stone Games"]

Third, giving money to native American  won't make  make Vox Day happy. He is a Native American  himself and a registered member of a tribe, not sure which one [/quote]

Surely this can't be true!  How can he be a white supremacist and a Native American. 

[quote="5 Stone Games"]

Second, anyone interested in heroic fantasy , the OSR or the like better  get used to running into  Right Wingers, Reactionaires, .Alt Right  and all kinds of groups like that. Its a very popular hobby among that set. Especially OSR games.

[/quote]

I was going avoid posting on this thread as it can easily become a powder keg but this is an untrue generalization. 

This isn't a Vox day thread. I don't want give the man any more free rent here however he he isn't a White Supremacists , he's a Western Christian Civilizationsist and a  Nationalist 

In his own words 

  1. The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.

and 

  1. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.

Note all nations, Native American, Western, African (he is a staunch anti colonialist) Asian 

Simply, everybody gets to live in their own lands by their own customs without foreigners around including Eurpean  people, Asian People, African people, everybody 

His own views in race and heredity and egalitarianism are what gets him branded as a White Nationalist by his detractors . If you really care about it  go to his blog . I won't post the link though. Its not germane.

Also bestial warlust missed my point. It wasn't about the OSR but about the more narrow subset of the hobby focused on heroic fantasy and yes very Conservative people and reactionaires play such games and tend to like the assciated literature   .  The .Alt Right and Neo reaction  are packed with D&D people Its has jack to do with the hobby itself who writes it or anything else only the taste of those people. They are going to be  at the table  sometimes 

In fact it may shock some peopel to know that both the founders of the hobby Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson were lifelong devout Christians . They didn't put it in the game because when it was made (70's early 80's) it wasn't a thing or necessary .The hobby being politicized like everything else is pretty new , probably  around  10 years old or so. If yu aren't comfy with certain views you can always boot the player (I've been booted as bad fit a few times), not allow the player (I've done that with someone with a very unsavory reputation)  or pass table rules banning put of context political talk. I've loosely done  the later  in recent years when things  get out of hand too. 

Its unfortunate that our little hobby has gotten this way but everything is political now and hopefully level heads will prevail and we can go back to tossing some dice. Now drop and give me a D20

 

 

 

 

I hate to say this, but I think the discussion in this thread is no longer productive, and it's starting to dip into the uncivil. Perhaps this would be a good time to acknowledge that further attempts at persuading each other to change our beliefs are unlikely to succeed in this venue, and move on?

That said, I'm being presumptious. If I'm misreading the situation, please accept my apology.

[quote="GMJoe"]

I hate to say this, but I think the discussion in this thread is no longer productive, and it's starting to dip into the uncivil. Perhaps this would be a good time to acknowledge that further attempts at persuading each other to change our beliefs are unlikely to succeed in this venue, and move on?

That said, I'm being presumptious. If I'm misreading the situation, please accept my apology.

[/quote]

I personally agree with you; but I'm also content to allow people to chat here if they can remain civil whilst doing so. 

If nothing else, we have tested D&D's alignment system in real-world conditions.

  • True Neutral characters will consort with characters of any alignment.
  • Neutral Good characters will preferably consort with Good characters, consort with Neutral characters, and never consort with Evil characters.
  • Lawful Good characters will never consort with Evil characters, nor will they consort with Neutral characters who consort with Chaotic and Evil characters, but will tolerate Neutral characters who agree not to consort with Chaotic and Evil characters, and prefer to consort with Lawful and Good characters.
  • Chaotic Neutral characters will consort with Chuck Tingle.

 

 

[quote="Alex"]

  • Chaotic Neutral characters will consort with Chuck Tingle.

[/quote]

"Hammered In The Ass By A Complex Simulation Of Antiquity-Era Economics And Social Structures In A Fantasy Mileu With Rules Strongly Based On Original Basic/Expert D&D Plus A Variety Of Optional Extensions Used To Bring Them Up To Date With Modern Gaming Trends While Still Maintaining That Distinct Old-School Feel In Play"

[quote="chalicier"]

 

 

  • Chaotic Neutral characters will consort with Chuck Tingle.

 


-Alex

 

"Hammered In The Ass By A Complex Simulation Of Antiquity-Era Economics And Social Structures In A Fantasy Mileu With Rules Strongly Based On Original Basic/Expert D&D Plus A Variety Of Optional Extensions Used To Bring Them Up To Date With Modern Gaming Trends While Still Maintaining That Distinct Old-School Feel In Play"

[/quote]

Sounds like Chuck Tingle's next Hugo-nominated bestseller to me!

[quote="Alex"] Frankly I don't know how you can consider yourself a member of this community if you don't plan to support the Chainmail Bikini Bladedancers of Aura 2017 Swimsuit Calendar but to each their own. [/quote]

That might loosen the pursestrings a bit...  I mean, the Dark Lord can't screw that one up, too, can he?

[quote="sulldawga"]

 

That might loosen the pursestrings a bit...  I mean, the Dark Lord can't screw that one up, too, can he?

[/quote]

We could always have him cowed beneath a scantily clad Bladedancer's bootheel, his evil beastman minions comedicaly skedaddling away in the background. It would fit right in between the beach volleyball and pillow fight photoshoots.

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If nothing else, we have tested D&D's alignment system in real-world conditions.

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    >
  • True Neutral characters will consort with characters of any alignment.
  • >
  • Neutral Good characters will preferably consort with Good characters, consort with Neutral characters, and never consort with Evil characters.
  • >
  • Lawful Good characters will never consort with Evil characters, nor will they consort with Neutral characters who consort with Chaotic and Evil characters, but will tolerate Neutral characters who agree not to consort with Chaotic and Evil characters, and prefer to consort with Lawful and Good characters.
  • >
  • Chaotic Neutral characters will consort with Chuck Tingle.
  • >
> >

Evil, of course, lurks.

[quote="jedavis"]

 

 

If nothing else, we have tested D&D's alignment system in real-world conditions.

  • True Neutral characters will consort with characters of any alignment.
  • Neutral Good characters will preferably consort with Good characters, consort with Neutral characters, and never consort with Evil characters.
  • Lawful Good characters will never consort with Evil characters, nor will they consort with Neutral characters who consort with Chaotic and Evil characters, but will tolerate Neutral characters who agree not to consort with Chaotic and Evil characters, and prefer to consort with Lawful and Good characters.
  • Chaotic Neutral characters will consort with Chuck Tingle.

 


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Evil, of course, lurks.

[/quote]

Amazing forum pun. I bow to your greatness.

[quote="ZeroSum"]

 

 

 

That might loosen the pursestrings a bit...  I mean, the Dark Lord can't screw that one up, too, can he?

 


-sulldawga

 

We could always have him cowed beneath a scantily clad Bladedancer's bootheel, his evil beastman minions comedicaly skedaddling away in the background. It would fit right in between the beach volleyball and pillow fight photoshoots.

[/quote]

Listen, there's a reason there's lightly-clad bladedancers worshipping the goddess of love and war in ACKS, and that reason is called Frazetta Covers